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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 12:40pm

5.0.02 - Wizard name - Feedback Welcome!

What might be more suitable for the new Summoner archetype?

A total of 139 Votes have been submitted.

6%

Keep the name 'Wizard' (9)

71%

Warlock (98)

9%

Diabolist (12)

4%

Dark Wizard (5)

9%

Death Mage (13)

1%

Other (please state) (2)

Dear Users

As you may have seen with the latest 5.0.02 preview, we'll be bringing in new race-classes like the Huntsman and Wizard.

I don't know... Wizard? Wouldnt' something like Warlock be more suitable for Summoner archetype?


Artuditu brings up an interesting point of view regarding the Wizards name in the discussion thread.
As such, We have been discussing it internally, and have settled on a few alternatives. We'd love to hear more feedback on what you feel would suit this summoning archetype!

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 1:29pm

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Wow! O.O

That's something I didn't expect at all. Obviously, my vote goes to Warlock :)

Edit: By the way, in the official news Xadaganian Wardens have been called Huntmasters and here in the poll post there is Huntsman. I don't know about others but I find the latter more appealing. Anyway, which one is the official name at the moment?

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Artuditu" (Sep 24th 2014, 1:43pm)


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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 1:41pm

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I totally agree. Wizard fits more to a typical Mage archetype.
I think Warlock sounds like the best option for the kanian summy indeed.
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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 2:11pm

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Its like they didnt even try to put a good name.

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 2:21pm

Ohh, nice to see that you're taking suggestions into account.

I got quite some suggestions.

I'd say while at it you could get to fixing up what Gpotato did wrong at the beginning - that is naming classes with names that are more fitting to other classes in the game.

Regarding this particular class:

Change "Summoner" archetype to "Necromancer" as it is in original version.

Then Elf summoner needs a change badly, "Demonologist" isn't really right as this class has nothing to do with demons. Demons come from the Astral. Necromancer is about the Undead.

Here's what I mean with mixing up names, In my opinion "Sorcerer" would be perfect for Elf Summoner, and Warlock for the Kanian. But... Sorcerer is already taken by Arisen mage. I feel like "Enchanter" would be more fitting for Arisen mage.

Now regarding another rather bad archetype translation. The healing plate one.

Archetype name "Healer" is no way fitting because that class can also fill the damage dealer role.

You should change it to "Priest" as it is in the original version, and again, Priest is taken by Elf class of this archetype so that one needs a rename too, in my opinion "Chaplain" would be more fitting for the elf.

There's more. Paladins.

There's a minor issue with Archetype and Elf name being switched, in original version Templar is the Archetype and Paladin is the elf. And there's a major issue with the Orc name - Reaver.
Paladins/Templars are in no way about reaving or pillaging. They are holy knights! That trasnlation is like... terribad. I'd suggest yet again what's closest to the original version - "Punisher" or "Executioner" or "Chastener".

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Dala" (Sep 24th 2014, 2:27pm)


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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 2:50pm

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+ to Warlock. Wizards are magical like Mages. Warlocks sound much darker.

Really glad to see you're taking our suggestions into account ^_^

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 4:09pm

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Ohh, nice to see that you're taking suggestions into account.

I got quite some suggestions.

I'd say while at it you could get to fixing up what Gpotato did wrong at the beginning - that is naming classes with names that are more fitting to other classes in the game.

Regarding this particular class:

Change "Summoner" archetype to "Necromancer" as it is in original version.

Then Elf summoner needs a change badly, "Demonologist" isn't really right as this class has nothing to do with demons. Demons come from the Astral. Necromancer is about the Undead.

Here's what I mean with mixing up names, In my opinion "Sorcerer" would be perfect for Elf Summoner, and Warlock for the Kanian. But... Sorcerer is already taken by Arisen mage. I feel like "Enchanter" would be more fitting for Arisen mage.

Now regarding another rather bad archetype translation. The healing plate one.

Archetype name "Healer" is no way fitting because that class can also fill the damage dealer role.

You should change it to "Priest" as it is in the original version, and again, Priest is taken by Elf class of this archetype so that one needs a rename too, in my opinion "Chaplain" would be more fitting for the elf.

There's more. Paladins.

There's a minor issue with Archetype and Elf name being switched, in original version Templar is the Archetype and Paladin is the elf. And there's a major issue with the Orc name - Reaver.
Paladins/Templars are in no way about reaving or pillaging. They are holy knights! That trasnlation is like... terribad. I'd suggest yet again what's closest to the original version - "Punisher" or "Executioner" or "Chastener".
Dala needs to be hired by development, all of her ideas are excellent.

...pay her in boutique crystals. =)

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 5:00pm

Wow, nice that you actually listen to suggestions. :P Big thumbs up!
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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 5:29pm

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Ohh, nice to see that you're taking suggestions into account.

I got quite some suggestions.

I'd say while at it you could get to fixing up what Gpotato did wrong at the beginning - that is naming classes with names that are more fitting to other classes in the game.

Regarding this particular class:

Change "Summoner" archetype to "Necromancer" as it is in original version.

Then Elf summoner needs a change badly, "Demonologist" isn't really right as this class has nothing to do with demons. Demons come from the Astral. Necromancer is about the Undead.

Here's what I mean with mixing up names, In my opinion "Sorcerer" would be perfect for Elf Summoner, and Warlock for the Kanian. But... Sorcerer is already taken by Arisen mage. I feel like "Enchanter" would be more fitting for Arisen mage.

Now regarding another rather bad archetype translation. The healing plate one.

Archetype name "Healer" is no way fitting because that class can also fill the damage dealer role.

You should change it to "Priest" as it is in the original version, and again, Priest is taken by Elf class of this archetype so that one needs a rename too, in my opinion "Chaplain" would be more fitting for the elf.

There's more. Paladins.

There's a minor issue with Archetype and Elf name being switched, in original version Templar is the Archetype and Paladin is the elf. And there's a major issue with the Orc name - Reaver.
Paladins/Templars are in no way about reaving or pillaging. They are holy knights! That trasnlation is like... terribad. I'd suggest yet again what's closest to the original version - "Punisher" or "Executioner" or "Chastener".

You do realize it's far, far, far too late to be making this level of modification, correct? It's not just renaming the individual classes, you would have to go through all the quest text where those names are also mentioned and change those as well. Good ideas, but too late to the party.

Also, +1 Warlock.
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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 10:33pm


You do realize it's far, far, far too late to be making this level of modification, correct? It's not just renaming the individual classes, you would have to go through all the quest text where those names are also mentioned and change those as well. Good ideas, but too late to the party.

Also, +1 Warlock.


Oddly enough, the "class names" are translated better in quests than on the classes themselves. And yes, this means they aren't consistent, names are mixed up, summoner is sometimes summoner, sometimes necromancer in quest/NPC texts. Look up the Masquerade quests for example, those names on the buffs there are much better than ones on actual classes.

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Thursday, September 25th 2014, 3:09am

Ohh, nice to see that you're taking suggestions into account.

I got quite some suggestions.

I'd say while at it you could get to fixing up what Gpotato did wrong at the beginning - that is naming classes with names that are more fitting to other classes in the game.

Regarding this particular class:

Change "Summoner" archetype to "Necromancer" as it is in original version.

Then Elf summoner needs a change badly, "Demonologist" isn't really right as this class has nothing to do with demons. Demons come from the Astral. Necromancer is about the Undead.

Here's what I mean with mixing up names, In my opinion "Sorcerer" would be perfect for Elf Summoner, and Warlock for the Kanian. But... Sorcerer is already taken by Arisen mage. I feel like "Enchanter" would be more fitting for Arisen mage.

Now regarding another rather bad archetype translation. The healing plate one.

Archetype name "Healer" is no way fitting because that class can also fill the damage dealer role.

You should change it to "Priest" as it is in the original version, and again, Priest is taken by Elf class of this archetype so that one needs a rename too, in my opinion "Chaplain" would be more fitting for the elf.

There's more. Paladins.

There's a minor issue with Archetype and Elf name being switched, in original version Templar is the Archetype and Paladin is the elf. And there's a major issue with the Orc name - Reaver.
Paladins/Templars are in no way about reaving or pillaging. They are holy knights! That trasnlation is like... terribad. I'd suggest yet again what's closest to the original version - "Punisher" or "Executioner" or "Chastener".
Dala needs to be hired by development, all of her ideas are excellent.

...pay her in boutique crystals. =)


i agree in everything here! :)

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Thursday, September 25th 2014, 4:38am

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change "summoner" to "necromancer", change xada "defiler" to "reanimator", and FINALLY change this site codepage cuz when you type e-mail/pass and hit enter button it do not work unless you manually click "log in" by mouse
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Thursday, September 25th 2014, 8:07am

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Voting for name is very good idea :) +1

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Thursday, September 25th 2014, 10:11am

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Cool idea, want to have polls for weird translation too :'(

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Thursday, September 25th 2014, 5:35pm

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change this site codepage cuz when you type e-mail/pass and hit enter button it do not work unless you manually click "log in" by mouse
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Thursday, October 2nd 2014, 12:16pm

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A big thanks to everyone for voting thus far!
A special tip of the hat to Dala for raising some interesting critique as well.

Considering the landslide vote, we've taken it on board: The Wizard will now transition to Warlock as per the Community Vote, assuming there is no drastic change in the voting figures between now and the patch going live that is ;)

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Thursday, October 2nd 2014, 4:35pm

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Yeah, not sure if this is just a major translation fail or what but Wizard definitely is not a good choice for a Kanian Summoner.

Warlock is much more appropriate.

The term Wizard is traditionally associated with the typical elemental spell-caster that controls arcane energies.

Warlock denotes one that dabbles in black magic and the foul art of necromancy to achieve their goals. Much more fitting for a summoner class.

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Thursday, October 2nd 2014, 4:55pm

Traditionally, back in the day, in the old days, before there were video games, a necromancer was (as now) a practitioner of necromancy, but these days, necromancy is not what it used to be. The word's origins are, like all -mancies, in *divination*, so a necromancer was someone who performed rituals so as to be able to consult with the dead for their greater knowledge of events. The closest you get these days is when a medium holds a seance and asks the spirit / etc. of the dead person to answer questions.

And no, it wasn't a particularly foul art at all.
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Thursday, October 2nd 2014, 7:39pm

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Indeed? Perhaps you correct. Now that you mention it, Necromancy doesn't sound foul at all, why, summoning the spirits of the dead against their will to do ones bidding does sound rather cheerful and jovial now that I think about it. Most Necromancer's I've read about in lore are such positive role models; gleaming and benevolent pillars of the community.

Lemme guess, your the one guy that voted to leave it as Wizard?

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Friday, October 3rd 2014, 1:49am

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Necromancy doesn't sound foul at all, why, summoning the spirits of the dead against their will to do ones bidding does sound rather cheerful and jovial now that I think about it.
Lemme guess, your the one guy that voted to leave it as Wizard?
a) You're implying the dead do not wish to return in the first place - And whether they would do so as a slave or not (willingly or otherwise) would depend on the intent of the necromancer and/or possibly the 'victim' in certain circumstances, if you can call it that when it comes to being dead already.

In Steveread999's case, he is referring to the old art of 'mediums', who simply wished to communicate with the dead, not force them do their bidding (outside of said communication), and on that note, if you had died and were brought back merely to impart some knowledge for the sake of your loved one(s), I'm pretty sure you wouldn't get up in arms over it compared to, say, having your corpse ripped from the ground to serve as a mindless undead meatshield in someone else's fights in the more 'fantasy' / 'magical' style of necromancy that we see in most games.

b) I honestly don't see why you'd get passive-aggressive on the guy for simply pointing old the older necromantic arts and putting a different side to the coin. It was a harmless post which some may even find interesting. Necromancy in general is written differently in every story/game.

Having said that, the 'stereotypical' fantasy necromancer, sure, your points apply.

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Mhuldoon" (Oct 3rd 2014, 2:07am)


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