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Monday, July 6th 2015, 10:46am

About PvP, Gear, skill and Runes

If the PvP is really that imbalanced for CS players then I really hope player skill is a huge factor to balance that out.


If you truly hope for this - you'll be disappointed, very disappointed.

It's something like that:

player gear (stats) > cash shop > player skill

It's to the point where better geared/cashed player can win 1vs multiple.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Gladia" (Jul 8th 2015, 4:49pm) with the following reason: title // off-topic discussion as a new topic


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Monday, July 6th 2015, 10:50am

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I have to agree with Dala.

Pvp on ftp is very frustrating ;)

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Monday, July 6th 2015, 11:41am

I just got my account recovered with my old psi! so, now im level 39.5!
anyways, dang that's a bummer. I really hoped that wasn't the case....
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Monday, July 6th 2015, 3:43pm

dont listen to the p2p flamers^^ i agree with gear > all but playerskill can EASILY! surpass several rune lvl... ofc if you fight lvl 1 rune against lvl 13 its will be near to impossible... but if you go for average runes of lets say 7 you can even join the strongest guilds and win the hardest dominion...

my tipp if you really want to play active on f2p buy the miraclious arc^^ it gives you lvl 5 or 6 runes complete and the possibility to be lvl 60 instantly ( but not sure if you want to use this cuz if you new you should at least play the storyline 1 time^^) but the runes for 57 euro are acceptable (and my wish is still growing for an even better starter set for new players :D)

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Tuesday, July 7th 2015, 1:57am

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dont listen to the p2p flamers^^ i agree with gear > all but playerskill can EASILY! surpass several rune lvl... ofc if you fight lvl 1 rune against lvl 13 its will be near to impossible... but if you go for average runes of lets say 7 you can even join the strongest guilds and win the hardest dominion...

my tipp if you really want to play active on f2p buy the miraclious arc^^ it gives you lvl 5 or 6 runes complete and the possibility to be lvl 60 instantly ( but not sure if you want to use this cuz if you new you should at least play the storyline 1 time^^) but the runes for 57 euro are acceptable (and my wish is still growing for an even better starter set for new players :D)
Skill beating runes? No. Never.

It takes one hit. One single hit (through my damage absorb shield skills even) to die while wearing epics, legends, and mythics in up to lvl 7 runes. I know... I suffered for weeks trying to get in on f2p PvP. It won't happen.

I still love this game more than any other MMO though. I intend to go p2p server for my PvP fix in a couple days. Imp side.
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Tuesday, July 7th 2015, 3:48pm

the fuck^^ if it takes one hit ! to kill you then you do something really wrong dude... even my a blue equipped player with lvl 0 runes wouldnt die in 1 hit... expect you mean something like full surge or deterboostet pally... cuz they can onehit an enemy with lvl 13 runes too ... i dont want to say f2p has roses everywhere but dammit dont make it sound worse than it is!

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Tuesday, July 7th 2015, 7:21pm

Skill beating runes? No. Never.
i have watched several players killing higher runed ones, skill (along with proper spec!) does matter in this game

but if skill is equal, this here is correct
player gear (stats) > cash shop > player skill


note however that cashshop does not mean only runes but the full amout of improvements you can get as additional defense points, additional offense ect


tl,dr if you gear up fully runes wont make a big difference
its not like you would be with runes 2-1-1 1-1-1 all the time and runes improve with time anyway, even for full free to play ppl

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Tuesday, July 7th 2015, 7:59pm

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tl,dr if you gear up fully runes wont make a big difference

What?

So if everyone is on an even playing field, in regards to gear, lets say everyone is 90k gearscore. No more. No less.
You're saying that if one has level 13 runes and the other has level 7 runes, the level 7 rune person has a chance?
o.o
I've been trying REALLY hard to leave you alone because I have been a little over the top sometimes towards you but...dudeeeeee stopppp spreadinggggg falseeeeee promisesssssssss. :thumbdown:


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Tuesday, July 7th 2015, 11:36pm





tl,dr if you gear up fully runes wont make a big difference

What?

So if everyone is on an even playing field, in regards to gear, lets say everyone is 90k gearscore. No more. No less.
You're saying that if one has level 13 runes and the other has level 7 runes, the level 7 rune person has a chance?
o.o
I've been trying REALLY hard to leave you alone because I have been a little over the top sometimes towards you but...dudeeeeee stopppp spreadinggggg falseeeeee promisesssssssss. :thumbdown:
So if they are even geared, and the only difference is runes, and lets say the level 7 rune person is much better at pvp; then the higher skilled player should win. yes? Lets say for example they are both good at pvp but the lower rune person knows a couple more tricks or combos to give him a slight advantage, can he still win?
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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 12:23am





tl,dr if you gear up fully runes wont make a big difference

What?

So if everyone is on an even playing field, in regards to gear, lets say everyone is 90k gearscore. No more. No less.
You're saying that if one has level 13 runes and the other has level 7 runes, the level 7 rune person has a chance?
o.o
I've been trying REALLY hard to leave you alone because I have been a little over the top sometimes towards you but...dudeeeeee stopppp spreadinggggg falseeeeee promisesssssssss. :thumbdown:


level 7 vs 13 is most likely too much

but level 9 vs level 13 can win, this is what i have already seen (although the level 13 players did not seem to be a skilled player, i have to say that)
dont know about level 8, would be interesting but should be hard as level 9 vs 13 seems hard already

also, everything about level 10 runes is very rare and only a handful of players have that

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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 8:30am

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also, everything about level 10 runes is very rare and only a handful of players have that

Just ... LOL.

A kind advice for new & returning players : please consider anything AOP has to say about pvp or cash shop as total nonsense. It will save you much trouble and disappointement.

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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 10:35am

when were you in BG last time...?
most players are around level 6 or even lower...
now with the huge amount of new players ive even seen a lot of green runed players... 8o

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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 10:50am

How can you know when you are afk all the time?

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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 3:17pm

well well iam always confused when i agree with AOP... i mean IN GENERAL he is right there are certainly waaaaay more lower runed players in this game than high runed ones... but this depents on what you want to do in pvp^^ looking for even weaker prey or attack everything cuz nothing is too big for you :P

btw i already saw many many lvl 7 and 8 runes guys literally destroying lvl 13 runed players including myself :whistling: but when its like some say impossible maybe iam special :rolleyes:

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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 4:43pm

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I made assumptions with his situation.

I assumed all players had exactly the same gear.
I assumed all players had all the same CS items with 1 exception (Full level 7 runes against full level 13 runes).
I assumed all players had EXACTLY the same skill level.

So if the above scenario is in place, no, there is absolutely no possible way (unless somehow the level 7 rune got a REALLY LUCKY 100% crit rate during the fight) the level 7 rune player would beat a level 13 rune player.
It's simple math.


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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 4:51pm

Hello,

As the original topic went totally off-topic, I created a new one (topic) where you can continue talking about runes over gear over skill, or maybe the contrary.
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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 4:57pm

Hello,

As the original topic went totally off-topic, I created a new one (topic) where you can continue talking about runes over gear over skill, or maybe the contrary.


I did not create the thread. I feel used ;(

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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 5:50pm

admit you like it dala!

and to groot lol well yeah when all have the same skill,class and equip ofc then the runes will decide the outcome^^ but thats impossible expect you fight clones of yourself :D

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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 7:08pm

How can you know when you are afk all the time?

not moving does not mean someone is actually afk
and it seems you havent seen me ingame for a long time now

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Wednesday, July 8th 2015, 7:11pm

I made assumptions with his situation.

I assumed all players had exactly the same gear.
I assumed all players had all the same CS items with 1 exception (Full level 7 runes against full level 13 runes).
I assumed all players had EXACTLY the same skill level.

So if the above scenario is in place, no, there is absolutely no possible way (unless somehow the level 7 rune got a REALLY LUCKY 100% crit rate during the fight) the level 7 rune player would beat a level 13 rune player.
It's simple math.


ofcTHEN the runes matter and decide
but since there are so many factors determinating the total power of a character this scenario will almost never happen

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